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		<title>By: Nathan Pralle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Pralle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Everyone:&lt;/b&gt; Just as a note, when I&#039;m stating, &quot;Religious Right&quot;, I am definitely picking on a particular subset of the Republican party who are extremely vocal and insist on injecting as much religion into politics as possible, which I think is a mistake.   This various from me saying, &quot;religious right&quot; meaning anyone who is religious and on the conservative side of things.   Not that some of them aren&#039;t guilty of this, too.

&lt;b&gt;Marie:&lt;/b&gt; One of the big problems is that the few lazy folks are held up as examples for everyone else but the majority of folks out there are in young families, with jobs that barely cover the heat bill let alone anything else, doing everything they can to make it.    To toss the baby out with the bathwater has been the Right&#039;s motto for a long time.    I would say that...85% of religious people I know are at least some hypocritical, if not more.   This is why I shy away from it to avoid the issue entirely.

&lt;b&gt;Stacey:&lt;/b&gt;  Don&#039;t think I don&#039;t hear your protest, because I do.   And there&#039;s certainly something to be said for eliminating other programs in favor of this one if we think it to be important enough.   However, that being said, if the plan that the President has proposed (because the plans in Congress are wide and varied) gets brought up, voted on, and passed, then most of your fears will be alleviated.   The taxes will come, but only for the rich.   The public option will be self-funded, so there&#039;s no problem there.   And I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s proposed dictating your health care just yet. :)   But of course, what comes out of Congress may not line up with the President, and I&#039;m waiting if that happens to see if he follows through with veto or not.

Ultimately, if they came out and said, &quot;Look, we can pass health care but it&#039;ll cost you a bit more in taxes, or we can kill it,&quot; I would vote in favor of passage because, despite the taxes we already bear, I can&#039;t say that I don&#039;t want those uninsured and crappily-insured Americans to get better coverage.    I&#039;d rather they do it without additional tax burden, of course.   But lesser of two evils.

&lt;b&gt;Wayne:&lt;/b&gt;  You&#039;re right in saying that there are plenty of lazy folk out there, but as I said above, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;majority&lt;/i&gt; of people, although there&#039;s certainly a lot of folks that, given the opportunity, will take a handout.   I&#039;m sure some of the people at the biz appreciation suppers are truly lazy, and some are simply tight. 

No, I would never put the title of hypocrite on all religious people myself, but I&#039;ve known plenty, and I would state that more are than not, that&#039;s why I don&#039;t associate myself with it anymore (well, one of the reasons).  And I have no problem in stating that I not done much charity work myself -- but then again, I don&#039;t profess to believe in a religion that dictates that I should be doing so.   Hence, I avoid the hypocrisy.   &lt;i&gt;Should&lt;/i&gt; I do more?  Well, certainly.   I think we all can, and it need not be religiously motivated, because there&#039;s something to be said about just being a good person, fullstop.   We could all do better by thinking that way all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Everyone:</b> Just as a note, when I&#8217;m stating, &#8220;Religious Right&#8221;, I am definitely picking on a particular subset of the Republican party who are extremely vocal and insist on injecting as much religion into politics as possible, which I think is a mistake.   This various from me saying, &#8220;religious right&#8221; meaning anyone who is religious and on the conservative side of things.   Not that some of them aren&#8217;t guilty of this, too.</p>
<p><b>Marie:</b> One of the big problems is that the few lazy folks are held up as examples for everyone else but the majority of folks out there are in young families, with jobs that barely cover the heat bill let alone anything else, doing everything they can to make it.    To toss the baby out with the bathwater has been the Right&#8217;s motto for a long time.    I would say that&#8230;85% of religious people I know are at least some hypocritical, if not more.   This is why I shy away from it to avoid the issue entirely.</p>
<p><b>Stacey:</b>  Don&#8217;t think I don&#8217;t hear your protest, because I do.   And there&#8217;s certainly something to be said for eliminating other programs in favor of this one if we think it to be important enough.   However, that being said, if the plan that the President has proposed (because the plans in Congress are wide and varied) gets brought up, voted on, and passed, then most of your fears will be alleviated.   The taxes will come, but only for the rich.   The public option will be self-funded, so there&#8217;s no problem there.   And I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s proposed dictating your health care just yet. <img src='http://www.philosyphia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    But of course, what comes out of Congress may not line up with the President, and I&#8217;m waiting if that happens to see if he follows through with veto or not.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if they came out and said, &#8220;Look, we can pass health care but it&#8217;ll cost you a bit more in taxes, or we can kill it,&#8221; I would vote in favor of passage because, despite the taxes we already bear, I can&#8217;t say that I don&#8217;t want those uninsured and crappily-insured Americans to get better coverage.    I&#8217;d rather they do it without additional tax burden, of course.   But lesser of two evils.</p>
<p><b>Wayne:</b>  You&#8217;re right in saying that there are plenty of lazy folk out there, but as I said above, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the <i>majority</i> of people, although there&#8217;s certainly a lot of folks that, given the opportunity, will take a handout.   I&#8217;m sure some of the people at the biz appreciation suppers are truly lazy, and some are simply tight. </p>
<p>No, I would never put the title of hypocrite on all religious people myself, but I&#8217;ve known plenty, and I would state that more are than not, that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t associate myself with it anymore (well, one of the reasons).  And I have no problem in stating that I not done much charity work myself &#8212; but then again, I don&#8217;t profess to believe in a religion that dictates that I should be doing so.   Hence, I avoid the hypocrisy.   <i>Should</i> I do more?  Well, certainly.   I think we all can, and it need not be religiously motivated, because there&#8217;s something to be said about just being a good person, fullstop.   We could all do better by thinking that way all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying working at walmart will solve all problems but there are a lot of lazy people out here that are looking for free health care and anything thats free. Go to a business appreciation supper that is free to all people and you will see the same ones at all the freebies. Yes I am religious and I do not believe I am a hypocrit and I dont believe all religious people are. There are some that all but dont put that title on all of us. When was the last time you were in church and helped put on a meal for the needy or been to a national youth gathering in New Orleans and help the homeless and needy because of a disaster? No matter what organization, theres always hyprcrites or those that dont care about anybody else but dont label everyone in that catagory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying working at walmart will solve all problems but there are a lot of lazy people out here that are looking for free health care and anything thats free. Go to a business appreciation supper that is free to all people and you will see the same ones at all the freebies. Yes I am religious and I do not believe I am a hypocrit and I dont believe all religious people are. There are some that all but dont put that title on all of us. When was the last time you were in church and helped put on a meal for the needy or been to a national youth gathering in New Orleans and help the homeless and needy because of a disaster? No matter what organization, theres always hyprcrites or those that dont care about anybody else but dont label everyone in that catagory.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but we are already taxed enough.  NO...I am not rich...NO, I do not belong to the religious right...fiscal responsiblity on the part of our government would make it so that a public option is viable.  Right now it is not viable, especially if it means increasing taxes even further.  The irony of that whole thing is &quot;We&#039;re going to increase your taxes to provide you health care, then dictate what kind of health care you&#039;re going to pay for&quot;.  Really?!
.-= Stacey Thomas&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisjustinblog.com/?p=391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Make Up My Mind Already!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but we are already taxed enough.  NO&#8230;I am not rich&#8230;NO, I do not belong to the religious right&#8230;fiscal responsiblity on the part of our government would make it so that a public option is viable.  Right now it is not viable, especially if it means increasing taxes even further.  The irony of that whole thing is &#8220;We&#8217;re going to increase your taxes to provide you health care, then dictate what kind of health care you&#8217;re going to pay for&#8221;.  Really?!<br />
.-= Stacey Thomas&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thisjustinblog.com/?p=391">Make Up My Mind Already!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most religious people I&#039;ve known are hypocrites. I know none of us are perfect and I don&#039;t really think humans can follow the Bible if they even tried 100%...but people can be such shit heads about it. So self-righteous and everything is everyone else&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most religious people I&#8217;ve known are hypocrites. I know none of us are perfect and I don&#8217;t really think humans can follow the Bible if they even tried 100%&#8230;but people can be such shit heads about it. So self-righteous and everything is everyone else&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People make me sick. Yeah, like working at Wal*mart will solve all financial problems. I know people who work three jobs and go to school full time and still have trouble paying bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People make me sick. Yeah, like working at Wal*mart will solve all financial problems. I know people who work three jobs and go to school full time and still have trouble paying bills.</p>
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