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		<title>By: Nathan Pralle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Pralle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, some great conversations here, folks...thanks.   Here&#039;s some responses:

&lt;b&gt;Becky:&lt;/b&gt; I would say that as a manager, you are &lt;i&gt;obligated&lt;/i&gt; to ignore your employees&#039; personal lives and concentrate only upon their professional performance, no matter what their outside personal opinions might be.  You&#039;re quite right, in less-than-scrupulous hands, this can (and does) lead to discrimination, but I hope to never work for a business that supports (or doesn&#039;t curtail) such behavior.   For the record, my business not only knows that I have an online presence, but they have visited my websites and read the content (I watched the logs) and they have no issues with it whatsoever.   My managers are adamant that whatever happens outside work is to remain there and not be taken into account with my job, which I am very happy about.   That being said, I make it a policy not to violate that policy by not mentioning any details of my job in online forums.   It works out well.

&lt;b&gt;Stacey:&lt;/b&gt; But the question is -- why?   Why be so secretive?   I don&#039;t deny you your right to do so, certainly not; however, what would it really matter to me -- to anyone -- if you posted something as personal as your underwear size on your blog (for instance)?   Some things DO matter, I figure -- those things that pass between my wife and I that are known only to us, financial details, etc. -- but sizes?   Preferences?  Opinions?   Most of those I consider won&#039;t be -- can&#039;t be -- used against me, at least not by anyone that matters.   It&#039;s not like I&#039;m a celebrity, if people really want to know, what the hell, eh? :)

&lt;b&gt;Wayne:&lt;/b&gt; Well, we&#039;ve had this conversation before, so I know your opinions on it, I guess.   I figure a lot of your feelings on it also have to do with the fact that you are an intimate part of a small community where everyone and anyone makes it their business to know what everyone else is doing.   Growing up in that environment can really make you look over your shoulder all the time.   While I&#039;m still somewhat a part of that, I&#039;ve been the black sheep of the family and community for long enough simply not to care anymore for the most part.

&lt;b&gt;Tom:&lt;/b&gt;  Quite right -- while I support folks&#039; movement toward more openness, you&#039;re quite right in saying that the younger generation doesn&#039;t always fully realize the implications of what they post.  They go on rants about employers, post pictures that you simply wouldn&#039;t want everyone to see, and conduct family feuds online.   One has to be SMART about how they post online, that&#039;s for sure.   That being said, it doesn&#039;t mean you have to be a closed book to be smart.

&lt;b&gt;Nicheplayer:&lt;/b&gt; Your blog is quite interesting in those terms; sometimes such incredibly personal details about your life are on there, and yet the very basics about you I don&#039;t know.   In some ways, it&#039;s a great combination because we get to see beyond all your layers and into the depths without exposing everything you are to everyone.

&lt;b&gt;Marie:&lt;/b&gt; It will be interesting to see what employers automatically give you demerits for having online presences and who don&#039;t, especially when they conduct background checks and see that you have such things (as mine did to me).  I think eventually it&#039;ll be seen as being LESS desirable if you don&#039;t have such credentials because you are less savvy and skilled.   

&lt;b&gt;Rachel:&lt;/b&gt; You&#039;re quite right, many people use online social networking to pump themselves up when the real story is much less glamorous.   Then again, in many ways, I see this as the new tool for networking to obtain opportunities, employment, and status.   In that context, pumping yourself up a bit is a very accepted methodology.   The problem becomes when someone does one thing and yet posts another; eventually his real-life component will call him out and that will cancel all credibility in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, some great conversations here, folks&#8230;thanks.   Here&#8217;s some responses:</p>
<p><b>Becky:</b> I would say that as a manager, you are <i>obligated</i> to ignore your employees&#8217; personal lives and concentrate only upon their professional performance, no matter what their outside personal opinions might be.  You&#8217;re quite right, in less-than-scrupulous hands, this can (and does) lead to discrimination, but I hope to never work for a business that supports (or doesn&#8217;t curtail) such behavior.   For the record, my business not only knows that I have an online presence, but they have visited my websites and read the content (I watched the logs) and they have no issues with it whatsoever.   My managers are adamant that whatever happens outside work is to remain there and not be taken into account with my job, which I am very happy about.   That being said, I make it a policy not to violate that policy by not mentioning any details of my job in online forums.   It works out well.</p>
<p><b>Stacey:</b> But the question is &#8212; why?   Why be so secretive?   I don&#8217;t deny you your right to do so, certainly not; however, what would it really matter to me &#8212; to anyone &#8212; if you posted something as personal as your underwear size on your blog (for instance)?   Some things DO matter, I figure &#8212; those things that pass between my wife and I that are known only to us, financial details, etc. &#8212; but sizes?   Preferences?  Opinions?   Most of those I consider won&#8217;t be &#8212; can&#8217;t be &#8212; used against me, at least not by anyone that matters.   It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m a celebrity, if people really want to know, what the hell, eh? <img src='http://www.philosyphia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Wayne:</b> Well, we&#8217;ve had this conversation before, so I know your opinions on it, I guess.   I figure a lot of your feelings on it also have to do with the fact that you are an intimate part of a small community where everyone and anyone makes it their business to know what everyone else is doing.   Growing up in that environment can really make you look over your shoulder all the time.   While I&#8217;m still somewhat a part of that, I&#8217;ve been the black sheep of the family and community for long enough simply not to care anymore for the most part.</p>
<p><b>Tom:</b>  Quite right &#8212; while I support folks&#8217; movement toward more openness, you&#8217;re quite right in saying that the younger generation doesn&#8217;t always fully realize the implications of what they post.  They go on rants about employers, post pictures that you simply wouldn&#8217;t want everyone to see, and conduct family feuds online.   One has to be SMART about how they post online, that&#8217;s for sure.   That being said, it doesn&#8217;t mean you have to be a closed book to be smart.</p>
<p><b>Nicheplayer:</b> Your blog is quite interesting in those terms; sometimes such incredibly personal details about your life are on there, and yet the very basics about you I don&#8217;t know.   In some ways, it&#8217;s a great combination because we get to see beyond all your layers and into the depths without exposing everything you are to everyone.</p>
<p><b>Marie:</b> It will be interesting to see what employers automatically give you demerits for having online presences and who don&#8217;t, especially when they conduct background checks and see that you have such things (as mine did to me).  I think eventually it&#8217;ll be seen as being LESS desirable if you don&#8217;t have such credentials because you are less savvy and skilled.   </p>
<p><b>Rachel:</b> You&#8217;re quite right, many people use online social networking to pump themselves up when the real story is much less glamorous.   Then again, in many ways, I see this as the new tool for networking to obtain opportunities, employment, and status.   In that context, pumping yourself up a bit is a very accepted methodology.   The problem becomes when someone does one thing and yet posts another; eventually his real-life component will call him out and that will cancel all credibility in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to share more about my kids than myself.  There are lots of things that I would love to post, just to get it out, but then I&#039;d have to start up a blog and have it be anonymous.  I try not to put too many identifying things about my family on the blog, but let&#039;s face it, if someone wanted to find us, they could.  It&#039;s easy nowadays to locate people online and find out all kinds of stuff about them.

As far as facebook, I don&#039;t have one.  There are many in my family that do, and I&#039;m sometimes amazed at what they choose to share.  In fact, I have found it&#039;s a way for some to boost themselves up and give others a false sense of who they really are.  It&#039;s just weird.

My bro-inlaw had taken leave from work for &quot;mental issues&quot;.  But yet, he continued posting on his open facebook about his Disneyworld trip and his many nights of partying.  Go figure.
.-= Rachel V&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://veuvefamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/25-barb-and-40.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;25, Barb and 40&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to share more about my kids than myself.  There are lots of things that I would love to post, just to get it out, but then I&#8217;d have to start up a blog and have it be anonymous.  I try not to put too many identifying things about my family on the blog, but let&#8217;s face it, if someone wanted to find us, they could.  It&#8217;s easy nowadays to locate people online and find out all kinds of stuff about them.</p>
<p>As far as facebook, I don&#8217;t have one.  There are many in my family that do, and I&#8217;m sometimes amazed at what they choose to share.  In fact, I have found it&#8217;s a way for some to boost themselves up and give others a false sense of who they really are.  It&#8217;s just weird.</p>
<p>My bro-inlaw had taken leave from work for &#8220;mental issues&#8221;.  But yet, he continued posting on his open facebook about his Disneyworld trip and his many nights of partying.  Go figure.<br />
.-= Rachel V&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://veuvefamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/25-barb-and-40.html">25, Barb and 40</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel okay enough sharing stuff on FB because all of my things are private and I know who sees them. I also am smart enough to not say anything bad about my job on FB or join any FB groups pertaining to my job. Twitter is private so it&#039;s a different matter. None of my coworkers are on there and no one can read it but my friends and they&#039;re harmless. I&#039;ll probably have to get rid of these things when I&#039;m searching for a career. Even if it&#039;s all private, I think if a state or county employer sees that I even have one will have a negative effect on a first impression. 
Unfortunately, I know first-hand how having open info on the internet can harm job opportunities. I didn&#039;t get hired back at Mackinac because I left my LiveJournal open (stupid stupid stupid) and I had called the museum director some well-deserved, but foul names. The director of museum programs personally emailed me and told me that the opinions reflected in my LJ did not match MSHP&#039;s values and desires. Since then (this was like, 5 years ago) I have done my best to be careful about job-related info. Lesson learned. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel okay enough sharing stuff on FB because all of my things are private and I know who sees them. I also am smart enough to not say anything bad about my job on FB or join any FB groups pertaining to my job. Twitter is private so it&#8217;s a different matter. None of my coworkers are on there and no one can read it but my friends and they&#8217;re harmless. I&#8217;ll probably have to get rid of these things when I&#8217;m searching for a career. Even if it&#8217;s all private, I think if a state or county employer sees that I even have one will have a negative effect on a first impression.<br />
Unfortunately, I know first-hand how having open info on the internet can harm job opportunities. I didn&#8217;t get hired back at Mackinac because I left my LiveJournal open (stupid stupid stupid) and I had called the museum director some well-deserved, but foul names. The director of museum programs personally emailed me and told me that the opinions reflected in my LJ did not match MSHP&#8217;s values and desires. Since then (this was like, 5 years ago) I have done my best to be careful about job-related info. Lesson learned. <img src='http://www.philosyphia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yuuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think social networking sites like Facebook are double-edged swords; stare the other way and you might cut your heart open for the whole world to see. I still think privacy is an important thing but then again, I&#039;m not really one to broadcast the happenings in my life. A video cam and Youtube would suit that purpose better. :)
Still, catharsis is good for the soul and I find that a good way of removing all the emotional junk is dumping them into cyberspace - in a twisted and mangled version, of course.
.-= Yuuki&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sugaryichigo.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/all-the-things-he-said/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All the things he said&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think social networking sites like Facebook are double-edged swords; stare the other way and you might cut your heart open for the whole world to see. I still think privacy is an important thing but then again, I&#8217;m not really one to broadcast the happenings in my life. A video cam and Youtube would suit that purpose better. <img src='http://www.philosyphia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Still, catharsis is good for the soul and I find that a good way of removing all the emotional junk is dumping them into cyberspace &#8211; in a twisted and mangled version, of course.<br />
.-= Yuuki&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://sugaryichigo.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/all-the-things-he-said/">All the things he said</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: nicheplayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicheplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My old lady and I got into it (again) the other day about how she has to read our blog to find out what I&#039;m thinking.  It&#039;s only a mild exaggeration.  But I think better when I write.  And I don&#039;t want the contents of my thoughts to necessarily spur a conversation.  Sometimes they just need to be written and left.  I undoubtedly end up spilling lots of stuff that no one cares about or even wants to read, but I&#039;m much more comfortable spilling those personal details than I am, say, my online banking password.
.-= nicheplayer&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://nicheplayer.net/avablog/2010/01/12/happy-birthday-gramary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Happy Birthday, Gramary&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My old lady and I got into it (again) the other day about how she has to read our blog to find out what I&#8217;m thinking.  It&#8217;s only a mild exaggeration.  But I think better when I write.  And I don&#8217;t want the contents of my thoughts to necessarily spur a conversation.  Sometimes they just need to be written and left.  I undoubtedly end up spilling lots of stuff that no one cares about or even wants to read, but I&#8217;m much more comfortable spilling those personal details than I am, say, my online banking password.<br />
.-= nicheplayer&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://nicheplayer.net/avablog/2010/01/12/happy-birthday-gramary/">Happy Birthday, Gramary</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the younger generation doesn&#039;t realize what they do online will last an eternity. They might miss out on jobs. They might have their identity stolen. Some teens might find themselves on a sexual predator list for posting nude photos of themself.

The theory of anonymity is false. Then again for those who really are an open book in real life, I guess there is nothing to hide. Makes you wonder what things will be like in the near future.
.-= Tom Baker&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://morningerection.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/for-male-members-of-facebook/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For Us Ignorant Male Members of Facebook&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the younger generation doesn&#8217;t realize what they do online will last an eternity. They might miss out on jobs. They might have their identity stolen. Some teens might find themselves on a sexual predator list for posting nude photos of themself.</p>
<p>The theory of anonymity is false. Then again for those who really are an open book in real life, I guess there is nothing to hide. Makes you wonder what things will be like in the near future.<br />
.-= Tom Baker&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://morningerection.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/for-male-members-of-facebook/">For Us Ignorant Male Members of Facebook</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I am old fashion, I read about other people that I have connected as friends but I only choose those that I am interested in and not everybody under the sun. I don&#039;t believe and don&#039;t tell that much about who I am or what I am doing cause I don&#039;t believe its the world to know. If you want to know something about me, ask me, because you are sincerely interested in me and my life and not because you are nosey and want to know everything about everybody but don&#039;t really care about anyone.If you are a friend on facebook with me than I consider you to be a friend and willing to share what is going on in my life but I don&#039;t believe it is for the whole world to know cause I am sure the whole world don&#039;t really care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am old fashion, I read about other people that I have connected as friends but I only choose those that I am interested in and not everybody under the sun. I don&#8217;t believe and don&#8217;t tell that much about who I am or what I am doing cause I don&#8217;t believe its the world to know. If you want to know something about me, ask me, because you are sincerely interested in me and my life and not because you are nosey and want to know everything about everybody but don&#8217;t really care about anyone.If you are a friend on facebook with me than I consider you to be a friend and willing to share what is going on in my life but I don&#8217;t believe it is for the whole world to know cause I am sure the whole world don&#8217;t really care.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only put out there what I want complete strangers to know.  That&#039;s not my whole life story.  I like to leave enough mystery that if someone meets me in person, they have something unique to take away from the experience.  I will *not* tell you my underwear size.  Are you kidding? LOL absolutely not.  But I will tell you how to make a really good pizza crust;)

The very fact that I put pictures of my life on my blog is crazy to some people...concerns about stalkers, pedophiles, etc. I don&#039;t worry about those extremely slim to none chance things.  But pics are about as far as I want to go in revealing my life.
.-= Stacey Thomas&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisjustinblog.com/?p=828&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Sweet Friendship Mini Printable Kit&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only put out there what I want complete strangers to know.  That&#8217;s not my whole life story.  I like to leave enough mystery that if someone meets me in person, they have something unique to take away from the experience.  I will *not* tell you my underwear size.  Are you kidding? LOL absolutely not.  But I will tell you how to make a really good pizza crust;)</p>
<p>The very fact that I put pictures of my life on my blog is crazy to some people&#8230;concerns about stalkers, pedophiles, etc. I don&#8217;t worry about those extremely slim to none chance things.  But pics are about as far as I want to go in revealing my life.<br />
.-= Stacey Thomas&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thisjustinblog.com/?p=828">A Sweet Friendship Mini Printable Kit</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky Allyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky Allyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought similarly to you at first. Then I thought some more.

So I&#039;m a manager.  I have some input into who we hire, lots of input into who we fire, and write the performance evaluations for all employees on my team.  Say I get curious and look up an employee on Facebook--assuming Facebook decides to significantly reduce privacy options--and see information about said employee&#039;s religious or political view points.  And say I find them abhorrent.  Can I really keep that information out of my head when I&#039;m evaluating that person?  I&#039;d like to think I could, but if someone is actively campaigning to keep rights from others or some such, I can&#039;t honestly say that I can.

That person should be able to connect with their friends and honestly talk about what they believe without the fear that someone will see that and then fire them.

One solution is for me to not be so damn nosy and look my employees up on the internet.  And I don&#039;t.  But I could.

And this is a scenario where the person accessing the private information doesn&#039;t want to use it against them.  Put this in the hands of folks with less scruples and folks are getting discriminated against intentionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought similarly to you at first. Then I thought some more.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m a manager.  I have some input into who we hire, lots of input into who we fire, and write the performance evaluations for all employees on my team.  Say I get curious and look up an employee on Facebook&#8211;assuming Facebook decides to significantly reduce privacy options&#8211;and see information about said employee&#8217;s religious or political view points.  And say I find them abhorrent.  Can I really keep that information out of my head when I&#8217;m evaluating that person?  I&#8217;d like to think I could, but if someone is actively campaigning to keep rights from others or some such, I can&#8217;t honestly say that I can.</p>
<p>That person should be able to connect with their friends and honestly talk about what they believe without the fear that someone will see that and then fire them.</p>
<p>One solution is for me to not be so damn nosy and look my employees up on the internet.  And I don&#8217;t.  But I could.</p>
<p>And this is a scenario where the person accessing the private information doesn&#8217;t want to use it against them.  Put this in the hands of folks with less scruples and folks are getting discriminated against intentionally.</p>
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